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White Wolf licensing agreement [Jul. 12th, 2005|02:07 pm]
Truth and Claw - Garou LARP

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[thebluefairy]
So, I don’t know how many of you have heard, but white wolf are introducing licinseing agreements for people to run their games. It is scheduled to take effect in January, and will affect any white wolf game where you are “collecting and disbursing money”. The full info can be found here

Although I don’t believe that truth and claw will be affected at this stage, it does rule out ever getting together some money to hire a cool venue for a special game, or each pitching in for an “in-game” party. I have emailed the marketing director of White Wolf for clarification of this as suggested in his post. I have included my email below, and I will let you know if I get any sort of reply.

Kristen


Dear Mr Boulle,

I run a small (approx 20 player) Werewolf genre LARP using the MET system. The game is run in my backyard and is not in any way associated with the Camarilla and play is by invitation only.

I do not charge a fee for players to be a part of my game, although I have occasionally asked for donations to help recoup printing costs. I also organise to have food sometimes for “in-game” occasions (such as a party to celebrate a successful rite of passage) that I also ask players to donate for if they can. Does this, in White Wolf’s opinion, constitute collecting a fee? Will my game be subject to this license?

One of my motivations for starting the game was my dissatisfaction with the Camarilla, although there is no ill feeling between the two games (the ST of the local Camarilla werewolf game plays in my game and there is significant player crossover), therefore I do not consider associating my game with the Camarilla a viable option. I will not put my players in a situation where they will have to pay a yearly membership fee or, leave the game simply because they are not old enough. I will also not put my housemates in the situation of not having to allow someone they don’t know or don’t like into the house simply because that person is a Camarilla member.

If my game in its current form would be subject to the license, then I feel that I will have to end the game as any compromise to comply with this proposed license (such as not having character sheets) would lower the standard of my game to an unacceptable level. I sincerely hope that it does not come to that.


Regards,
Kristen Frost
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[User Picture]From: kittenmorag
2005-07-12 04:07 am (UTC)
According to the forums, 'collecting and distributing money' in any way, shape, or form, is against the agreement.

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[User Picture]From: thebluefairy
2005-07-12 04:10 am (UTC)
I know, but i want to hear from them that we can't have character sheets any month I am poor.
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[User Picture]From: kittenmorag
2005-07-12 04:16 am (UTC)
I say fuck them. I've said it multiple times, but if they're going to come over here and say 'You! Stop running this game that happens IN YOUR BACKYARD' when people like OWbN have sworn to keep going, then they're bigger asshats than I thought.

*gets thoughtful*

We could always print our own sheets, too, and bring them to you to sign.

The bit that gets me? Any characters we create are property of White Wolf and may be used as Canon fodder at any point in time.

There was another point I was going to make, but I can't remember what it is. Poo. It'll come to me.

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[User Picture]From: thebluefairy
2005-07-12 04:21 am (UTC)
We could always print our own sheets, too, and bring them to you to sign

I though of that as an option, but i have a hard enough time getting rsvps, i doubt i could get 100% of people to remember their sheets every time.

In the end, I'm thinkI will be counting on the fact that we will be under their radar. So the webpage will have to come down :(
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[User Picture]From: kittenmorag
2005-07-12 04:25 am (UTC)
Well, if Riley and I can get our sheets, we'll start printing ours and bringing them, to save you costs anyhoo.

Aw, godsdamn webpage :(

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[User Picture]From: thebluefairy
2005-07-12 04:26 am (UTC)
Printing is no issue at the moment, so no need to worry. It is more a future consideration that I am looking out for
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[User Picture]From: kittenmorag
2005-07-12 04:19 am (UTC)
Ah, that's it.

There's no licencing agreement in their old stuff. Not even a 'licence subject to change without notice'. So this is, in fact, ass. They can try and levy it on their new stuff all they like, but they can go whistle for the old stuff.

*this from the girl who's only legal experience was HSC level Legal Studies. And a ticket in the traffic court*

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[User Picture]From: thebluefairy
2005-07-12 04:22 am (UTC)
Hopefully someone who really knows about legal stuff will atke them on, then we will know for sure
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[User Picture]From: kittenmorag
2005-07-12 04:24 am (UTC)
James has his solicitor looking over it for Sin City.

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[User Picture]From: thebluefairy
2005-07-12 04:28 am (UTC)
Yeah, this sucks for him much more than for me
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[User Picture]From: malinari86
2005-07-12 04:34 am (UTC)
Wizards owns a stake in WW, I have seen their legal documents, as has anyone who entered that competition to have your idea made into the next campaign setting. They are really all about controlling as much of the gaming industry as possible.

They also have a whole mess of greed for IP...hopefully you will get a response, but I would not be surprised if they just refer us to their documentation.
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[User Picture]From: thebluefairy
2005-07-12 04:39 am (UTC)
Yeah. the only reason that i thought it was worth a try was that it said

"If you are unsure whether the game you are interested in falls under this license, please contact Philippe Boulle, Marketing Director of White Wolf Publishing, at prboulle@white-wolf.com. "

So that is what i did :)
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[User Picture]From: heapha
2005-07-12 05:14 am (UTC)
at present you have never charged for your game and you never will - if there is to be an ingame party people can give money to me to buy there lunch - as I am nothing more than a player there is no harm in me bringing them lunch :)

Secondly - I really do think that you not charging saves this game. It may become an issue in later times but for now it is ok. Keep the website and just advertise it as free.
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[User Picture]From: thebluefairy
2005-07-12 05:16 am (UTC)
Yeah. This is about getting information out of them, and covering myself. I don't think the game would fold over this
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[User Picture]From: regency_rhi
2005-07-12 06:30 am (UTC)
there is a lot of discussion of this on aus_gamers you might want to look at, if you haven't already...
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